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I am running Windows 2000 server. I do believe asp.net IS installed as I have the .NET 1.1 framework installed.

Funny about the bounce backs. I am at about 10% of my limit, which I control as I am the network admin. I'll check into that.

,

I'll try to help when I get back tues night,, see the contact page for info on where I am .
http://www.cjwsoft.com/contact/default.asp?Subject=CJWSoft+G eneral+Inquiry

,



I am confused.

Humm, how did ASPBanner 8 come with your purchase of ASPProtect ? That is not something I am aware of or something I do. Please provide more information on how you obtained ASPBanner 8. If I gave yu a copy for some reason please refresh my memory so I can go look up th emails about it. I need to know you have a valid license.

Now, as for the two not working together and the login screens messing with each other. I am even more confused. Tell me more as I just do not understand what you did ? ASPBanner has it's own user database and login system so there is no reason you should be mixing the two together as far as logins go. The two applications can certainly be in the same web together and not bother each other. ASPBanner can certainly serve banners to any pages you protect with ASPProtect or don't protect, but you certainly should not be protecting any ASPBanner code with ASPProtect code.  ASPBanner already has code in it to do that. If that is the case don't do that. ASPProtect is not meant to protect code that already has a login system. That should just be obvious as far as I am concerned and hopefully you dintn't try to do that.

(you said you just put the directory in there but there must be more too this than that)

But again, tell me more. I can't really know everything  ??

I just dont see how your ASPProtect pages could be effected by ASPBanner unless you really did something wacky like included the ASPBanner "check_user_inc.asp" instead of the one that comes with ASPProtect or overwrote it... etc ect

If in the same web aspprotect can be wherever and aspbanner needs to be in a folder called "aspbanner". There should be no conflicts under normal use and the two will essentially run seperate of one another.

, The PayPal feature that is in ASPClassifieds has always been labeled as experimental and has never been supported as the documentation says. About a year ago I stopped even mentioning the feature on the product pages or in the live demo because I didn't like how it worked and I decided I would just market the application as a free based classifieds. It’s just not something I can support or talk about. To work really well it really needs to be coded to use PayPal IPN and a credit system. Where ads and various extra features cost so many credits and people have to buy credits before they can post any ads.

That’s about all I can tell you. It's just not something I support.

,

The Pop-Up Javascript Date Pickers will only show up of your server's regional settings are set to one of two lCID values.

1033 which is English - United States
mm/dd/yyyy date format

or

2057 which is English - United Kingdom
dd/mm/yyyy date format

 

Many servers are set to run the default LCID which is 2048 so the banner system will not show the date pickers.

This setting can however be easily overwritten when using the ASPBanner system.

Edit the "config_inc.asp" file with a text editor.

Add this code between the <% and %> tags.
Near the top is good 

Session.LCID = 1033

or

Session.LCID = 2057

depending on what date format you are looking to use

Save the file and go edit a banner. The date pickers should be there now.

cwilliams38325.7403125,

Tell tell me some info about your install?

How am I supposed to know what is going on when you are not showing me what you have in your web config file and also the directory structure of the install or what you are putting in a page you are trying to protect ? It almost sounds like you are not editing the paths correctly in the various places.  I mean yes you told me something about the "map" folder but what I saying is tell me more detail.

BTW: this is a very important setting in the web.config file and must be edited accordingly so the path is right.

<forms name=".aspprotect~net" loginUrl="/aspprotectlogin.aspx" protection="All" timeout="60" path="/" />



Basically your showing me random errors and posts left and right and I honestly have no idea what your doing ?

Ulitmately though I am trying to help you in this situation like the web site says.

We offer tech support for installation of the base application purchased in it's native form. In some cases in order to receive proper tech support your application will be need to be installed on a live server on the Internet. We simply cannot troubleshoot all issues when the application is only installed on your local machine.

Meaning I am not going to keep this up if you keep asking question after question after question regardign your local XP Pro installation. There is only so much I can assume or guess when you are running this on a local development server. I know you got all sorts of problems getting a decent live server to run this on but that just isn't my problem. Get this up and running on a professionaly and correctly setup live server and when these random configuration errors pop up atl least I can go run the pages and look at them.
Right now I am just confused by nearly everything you have posted today. Half of looks like basic ASP.NET path issues that you need to sort of on your own based on where you installed the application on the machine and what you have in the web.config file.. etc etc etc

It is sounding more and more like ASP.NET is way over your head. If you want a copy of the classic ASP version of ASPProtect you are welcome to it. I think you will be a lotter better off sticking to classic ASP unless you really start reading up on ASP.NET and learning more about how forms based authentication and the web.config file work.

, Great!  Sounds good Chris.  ,

Sorry Chris,

It didn't fix it.  Looks like I had the current code.  I bought the system in mid-April.  The version says 3-10-2005.

I do know that in the database, the password shows as " éG"  but in the error code, it shows as " éG".  The square character is missing. 

Thanks,
Mick

Edit: well heck.  It skips the square box here too.  The password in the database puts a square box in front of the éG

,

I am using VS 2005, when i go to new project in visual basic folder asp.net web application is not there..

Can i add it somehow?

,

Connecting user is dbo of database.

User_ID is primary key with auto increment identity.

SQL Script of current table:
CREATE TABLE [dbo].[Security_Users] (
 [User_ID] [int] IDENTITY (1, 1) NOT NULL ,
 [First_Name] [nvarchar] (100) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Last_Name] [nvarchar] (100) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Company_Name] [nvarchar] (100) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Username] [nvarchar] (75) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Password] [nvarchar] (15) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Access_Level] [nvarchar] (30) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Notes] [nvarchar] (1000) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Admin] [bit] NOT NULL ,
 [Active] [bit] NOT NULL ,
 [Expiration_Date] [smalldatetime] NULL ,
 [Email] [nvarchar] (100) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Address] [nvarchar] (100) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [City] [nvarchar] (100) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [State_Province] [nvarchar] (100) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Zipcode_Postal_Code] [nvarchar] (20) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Phone] [nvarchar] (20) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Counter] [int] NULL ,
 [Last_Access] [smalldatetime] NULL ,
 [Login_Limit] [int] NULL ,
 [Custom1] [nvarchar] (255) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Custom2] [nvarchar] (255) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Custom3] [nvarchar] (255) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Custom4] [nvarchar] (255) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Custom5] [nvarchar] (255) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Custom6] [nvarchar] (255) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [ValidateEmailCode] [nvarchar] (50) COLLATE SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AS NULL ,
 [Date_Created] [datetime] NULL ,
 [Validated] [bit] NOT NULL
) ON [PRIMARY]
GO

ALTER TABLE [dbo].[Security_Users] WITH NOCHECK ADD
 CONSTRAINT [PK_Security_Users] PRIMARY KEY  CLUSTERED
 (
  [User_ID]
 )  ON [PRIMARY]
GO

,

its just an example connection string in the datacon_inc.asp file
you have the edit it to make sense for you..

 

the readme.txt file with the sql directions tells you this if you use that script

------------------------------------------------------
Examples of using DSN-LESS connections.

The "SERVER" and "Data Source" settings are either the Network Name for the SQL Server or the IP Address.
For local servers you can also use an IP of "127.0.0.1"

GalleryConnectionString = "Driver={SQL Server};UID=aspphotogalleryuser;password=temp;DATABASE=aspph otogallery;SERVER=127.0.0.1"

or

GalleryConnectionString = "Provider=sqloledb;Data Source=127.0.0.1;Initial Catalog=aspphotogallery;User Id=aspphotogalleryuser;Password=temp;"
------------------------------------------------------ 

cwilliams38325.8980324074, I like to change my database from access to SQL.
I run the aspbanner.sql in the database and
then I checked the new database tables with the screenshots
from your support info.
Then I make a ODBC Connection and it looks very good,
I logged in and create a zone, but I was not able to
store it.
I got the following message:

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers- Fehler '80040e07'
[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server] Bei der Konvertierung eines char-Datentyps in einen datetime-Datentyp liegt der datetime-Wert ausserhalb des gütigen Bereichs.
/adserve/aspbanner/appinfo_inc.asp, line121


Please can anyone help me, that aspbanner also run on my SQL Server ?

Best regards Josef Raschko
,

Trying to make sense of this.  I am still confused.  In the file config_inc.asp.  I found the setting for "uploaddirectory".  That entry looks like this [UploadDirectory = CmdGetConfiguration("UploadDirectory")].  I assume there is a config file where the value of upload directory is located. 

The settings in the config_inc.asp file have not been changed.  they are set to the way it was delivered.  Is there a document that gives instructions as to what and where the config settings are to be changes?

, the email address thing could be done many ways... personally I would remove the username field from the registration form.. and modify things so the email field got used for username and for email when everything gets saved on the page that register.asp posts to. ... it would all require some messing around with the code and time... nothing too hard really

as for the password thing it all happens in the register.asp file.. the same page the registration screen is on in the web browser.. again a little bit of fooling around and time but not difficult ,

I had never noticed this before, but a customer sent me email to say that they had set up their aspclassifieds profile such  that they be contacted by email and not by phone.

However, in their ad, their phone number still appears. The lines in view_ad.asp that check for True values for the Contact_Via_Email and Contact_Via_Phone before displaying that information seem to always evaluate to True, regardless of their setting in the database.

I'm using an Access2000 DB for this. When I open the DB in access, I see the checkboxes correctly unchecked for phone and checked for email. However, if I do a quick test to display the retrieved values in the view_ad.asp (<%=contact_via_phone%> <%=contact_via_email%> they both display True.

What gives? I have had nightmares with Access and its weird handling of true/false 0/1 yes/no fields, but this is driving me nuts.

 

, It is not something I did when I wrote the emailing sub routines. You would have to edit the email sub routine for CDONTS and add something to it most likely. The email sub routines are in the "scripts" folder in the "emailing_subs_inc.asp" file.

I am not sure you can do that when using CDONTS though I think you can do it with CDOSYS. You would have to do some research and edit the code like I mentioned.
,

Does emailing work under the simplest scenario ? (directly from the users screen)

Thats the way to test it..

All that error means is whatever reason the settings you have chosen are not working. It could be the server. It could be what you chosen. (and yes I realize your pop info from outlook should probably work with the settings you chose)

Whenever I do installs I often have to try 3-5 different emailing scenarios before I come across one that works.

Each time making some changes and sending out test emails from the users screen until I get somewhere. Often time getting a working example of how your Hosting Company wants you to send email from ASP is the info to get your hands on. (what method and settings)

In this case they may have blocked the usee of a remote server and want you to use some other settings for sending email from asp. A lot of times they put that info in their help system.

If I were you I would start by trying the other two CDOSYS options for starters, and then try the remote server option again but using "localhost" as the server, if none of those work consult your host for example code and settings to send email from asp. If you still have no luck I can help for sure.

Realize too when testing the emails may take a bit to arrive. A delay of sorts. Best to type in a quick note about which method you are trying in the email text. That way when you finally get one delivered you'll know which method worked.

,

Have you thought about language file so users dont have to go into the code to put it in their language??

, OK, thanks.., either that or send me your encyrption keys and the exact password entered that causes the problem and I will try to reproduce the behavior here, A nice addition for the listing script would be if the script would allow a "featured ad" or ads that would appear on the default page. ,

Hi Chris,

I have a small problem, I have installed asp photo gallery pro on a hosted site, and after eventually getting them to modify permissions on directories it is essentially working, except that it won't delete pictures from an album. If I delete an album the pictures are left in the pictures directory, but the album is no longer displayed. If I then make a new album it is labelled incrementally... ie I had one album "album_ID_1", deleted it created a new album it is labelled "album_ID_2". I would have thought that the new album would be called "album_ID_1" ie taking the place of the deleted one. It seems to me that the delete album function isn't fully working either. My hosting comppany swears that the permissions on the pictures directory are set to full access for everybody. What have I done wrong?

Thank you

Nigel

, When a logged in user with specific group rights tries to look at a page that has different group membership requirements the Login screen comes up giving them an opportunity to login with different rights to view the page.  If you log in again with your current user name the same login screen returns with the added words something to the effect of "Access Denied, you dont have group rights to this page...".

The only way to get back to the previous page is to hit the back button on the browser (there is not a back button on the denied page). 

I would really rather not even present the "login again" screen to a user but just have a custom page that says "access denied" of my own design with a back button on it.  Is this an option provided for in ASPProtect currently?  I did not see it in the admin section settings tab.  Is there a separate "login again" asp file that is being used for this group access deny message that I could alter, or does it always have to be the login asp file?
Or would this require me modifying the check_user_inc.asp file around line 356 to change this behavior (I don't want to screw up any other stuff though...).

Thanks!!

Oh, PS.  just a quick check...it looks like if a user is an "admin" he automatically gets to see all group pages regardless of which set of group numbers are assigned in his user account...is that right?





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thx, thats a known error I forgot about.

I just updated the zip archive so the error is gone but if you bought ASPBanner Unlimited Version 7.3 Before April/06/2004 you can optionally apply the fix.


To fix it (only if you want to use the option explicit method of calling banners and not even a really necessary fix as this is just an error in the generated code your supposed to use)

Just edit aspbanner/zones.asp with a text editor.

Where you see the double dim carefully remove one of the "dim" s and save the file.

cwilliams38209.9251851852,

its a text file   you just edit it with notepad..  if ya mess it up ya put an original copy back in

no biggie either way

jump in there..

I just showed ya exactly what to change.. its a no brainer man
This is simple source code. It's meant to be edited and hacked.

The only reason I warn you is so you can't blame me later on if it effects something

I am just trying to help


If ya dont like that solution why not just use periods for the first name field.. or a dash or something... then nobody will really see it

or maybe store the company name in the first_name field

seems like clever things to try without changing the code..

good luck...

cwilliams38326.870474537,

If you run asplistings auto in its own folder with its own application in IIS. Connected to its own database.

And you run your other version of ASPListiings in its own folder with its own application in IIS. Connected to its own database.

You will have zero major changes to make to anything... other than what you did above..

But remember theyare the same app and share a lot of thing including sessions and application variables.. that is why if they are installed in the same domain each one needs its own application set in the IIS console so they run seperately of one another.

cwilliams38312.5189814815, We have upgraded to IIS 6, but as I recall  aspbanner continued to work fine for at least 3 months after the upgrade.  I would like to reinstall, but I cannot find the zip file.

Cookies are turned on in my browers, I've tried both Internet Explorer and FireFox, niether stay logged-in.

Jason S.
, here is the next response to this which was emailed to me but should have been posted here


From: Mo Afifi
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:47 PM
To: CJWSoft Support Info
Subject: Re: CJWSoft Support Info : SSL - Verisign Certifcates

Hello,

Thank you for responding to my posting. In the second line of your response you said “not start them off at an http:// url". I think what you meant is to "not start them off at an https:// url". If this is your intention then I agree with you 100%. I have revised my pages so the users will go first to a non-https page and then make a choice either to use secure or non-secure access. Please note that the site is not intended to be completely SSL protected but only the sign up pages. I have another problem though when I click on the "Secure Log In" and enter my log in information; the entire subsequent URLs will have https:// in them which I could not shake off. As I said the intention was to use the https for sign in only.

 I realize that this issue does not have any thing to do with your product, but any input will be appreciated. Best,

 Mo

, Oh also, I tried to run the asp on my machine (win XP) and unless I'm missing something fairly obvious, I cannot get it to run correctly...when previewing it, I see all the code instead of what I should be seeing., I just made a new admin account and I still can not log in using it ?

Did you by chance edit the code by adding LCID info or something like that ? Something is just very wrong. 

The simple example protected pages can not even be logged into ?

,

This is amazing. You replied to question within minutes. Thanks for showing such a professionalism.

 

,

Is there a limit to how many access levels the program has?  We were thinking of having a different access level for each client that logs on our site so we can customize their web experience.  We see 6 in one place of the program, 8 in another, but is there any reason why we couldn't make 100 more?

Thanks again for the help!

,

Actually it would because you would just count records for that user that are also active

and yes, users cant delete albums.. they can only turn them off which really means the albums lose their active status

only the admin can truly delete an album the way the code is
(that's just the way I did it for some reason.. I don't remember why)

cwilliams38433.0343865741,

I am trying to import a file, and I get this error:

Microsoft VBScript compilation error '800a03f9'

Expected 'Then'

/aspprotect/password_admin/upload_post.asp, line 6

If Session("Admin") <> "True"
-----------------------------^
 
Any suggestions on how to fix it?
Thank you.
,

Redirecting is not something ASPProtect does because you can
do that sort of thing using simple ASP redirects.


In all of these examples you are going to want to protect the pages you send these users to accordingly.
So that if they know the url they just cant go their directly without loging in.

 


Redirecting example..
This page will redirect admins or level 4 users to a certain page  and anyone else to
another page.
 
 
<%@ LANGUAGE="VBSCRIPT" %>
<!--#INCLUDE FILE="check_user_inc.asp"-->
 
<%
If Session("Admin") = "True" or Session("Access_Level") = "4"  Then
    Response.Redirect("sompage.asp")
Else
    Response.Redirect("someotherpage.asp")
End If
%>

 

 

Redirecting example..
This page will redirect level 1 users to a certain page. level 2 users to certain page, and anyone else to
another page.
 
 
<%@ LANGUAGE="VBSCRIPT" %>
<!--#INCLUDE FILE="check_user_inc.asp"-->
 
<%
If Session("Access_Level") = "1"  Then
    Response.Redirect("level1.asp")
ElseIf Session("Access_Level") = "2" Then
    Response.Redirect("level2.asp")
Else
    Response.Redirect("allothers.asp")
End If
%>

 

 

Redirecting example..
This page will redirect user "PistolPete" to a certain page.

 
<%@ LANGUAGE="VBSCRIPT" %>
<!--#INCLUDE FILE="check_user_inc.asp"-->
 
<%
If Session("Username") = "PistolPete" Then
    Response.Redirect("somedirectory/somepage.asp")
End If
%>


 
then just make sure the page you send the user to to also checks to see if the user is the right user.... to make sure others users can't access each others pages
 
<%
If Session("Username") <> "PistolPete" Then
    Response.Write("You do not have access to this page.")
    Response.End
End If
%>

 

 

etc etc etc.... these code snippets should point you in the right direction...

, I have ASP Photogallery running and it seems to be great, but I would like to allow uploads using DUNDAS the problem is I can't seem to find it on the linked website. I did find an EXE install in another place but I am running on a Shared Host (Godaddy) and can't run an executable on it. Where can I find Dundas and is there a way to install it without running an EXE??,

BTW.. I dont know what is going on But I keep getting all these returned emails. My forum is sending you emails and they are coming back as undeliverable saying your storage space is exceeded on your server.

 

Could not deliver message to the following recipient(s):

Failed Recipient: steve.gould@apawood.org

Reason: Remote host said: 552 Requested mail action aborted: exceeded storage allocation

-- The header and top 20 lines of the message follows --

Received: from server.powerasp.com [209.23.108.41] by mail.cjwsoft.com with SMTP;

Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:34:44 -0400

From: "CJWSoft Support Info" <sales@cjwsoft.com>

To: steve.gould@apawood.org

Subject: CJWSoft Support Info : Thumbnail creation

Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:34:44 -0400

MIME-Version: 1.0

Content-Type: text/html

Hi srgould41,<br /><br />A message has been posted in the info area on CJWSoft Support Info that you asked us to keep an eye on.<br /><br />To view and/or reply to the info then click on the link below : -<br /><a href="http://support.cjwsoft.com/code/code_info.asp?TID=249& amp;TPN=1">http://support.cjwsoft.com/code/code_info.asp? TID=249&TPN=1</a><br /><br />If you no-longer wish to recieve email notification for this Info or Infor Area click on the link below : -<br /><a href="http://support.cjwsoft.com/code/email_notify.asp?TID=2 49&FID=4&M=Unsubscribe">http://support.cjwsoft.co m/code/email_notify.asp?TID=249&FID=4&M=Unsubscribe& lt;/a><br /><br /><hr /><br /><b>Information Area:</b> ASP Photo Gallery Pro Version<br /><b>Info:</b> Thumbnail creati&#111;n<br /><b>By:</b> cwilliams<br /><br /><P>trust me, they (serverobjects)&nbsp;does not check.. as a matter of fact they havent answered support emails for about 3 years. All they do is sell that crap and forget the customer. But the stuff does work well and always has. (that guy took all the money he made/makes from those components and took off to Jamaica or something sitting on the beach drinking margaritas)<BR><BR>regardless,<BR>ASP just cant resize pictures on it's own. <BR>It' just not possible. You need a 3rd Party component.<BR><BR>There isn't much to say about the ASP.NET thing.<BR><BR>If your server has ASP.NET installed (meaning you can run aspx pages on your server and the ASP.NET framework is installed) and running you just pick that option in the config file and ASP Photo Gallery will use ASP.NET to make dynamic thumbnails for you.<BR><BR>To run ASP.NET it must be a 2000 or 2003 server.</P>

 


 

,

Sorry, there is no option for that.

I'll take it into consideration, but the way the banner rotation logic works would make adding such an option very complicated.

Just give it  an expiration date way into the future if you do not want an ad to expire anytime soon.

I usually just make all my ads expire in like 2020 or something like that since I don't want them to stop running either on some of my sites.

cwilliams38247.1116319444,

Thanks for your rapid responses, your support is excellent!

It may be best that I stick with html then. You mention that is stresses the Version 7 software, would the unlimited version perform any differently if I use multiple zones?

Also, if I do go with a single zone, would either program be able to make sure each banner is unique, or would there by duplicates for each page view?

Sorry to post so many questions in one day.

,

If you are using version 6 CDOSYS is not supported. That is one reason why version 7 came out. If you want to rewrite the code to work with CDOSYS in version 6 that is something you need to sort out on your own as I do not support custimization to the code.

,


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