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Are you reffering to the number of the left of the users name in admin.

I thought it was a counter at first but that number only displays the number of albums they have set up.

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More Upgrade Info

To upgrade an existing ASPBanner system please follow these steps.

Back up your old system completely before starting.

Install the new system per the installation instructions that came with it.

Once it is running simply use your old ASPBanner database with the new system.

You may also want to keep your banner images folder from before in the same location so your existing banners still link to valid image urls because the new system stores banner images in a new location.

Since the config table in the database is no longer used you will need to go to the settings screen of aspbanner again and configure things. The config table in your old database can be deleted or left alone. It won't be used anymore so it does not matter either way.

That is all there is to it. If you have any issues please ask in the forums and we will help you out.

cwilliams38211.7525231481,



sorry, I am guilty of being very tired and didnt read your message fully.

I know this forum area is called "database connection issues" but it is only meant for generic issues.

Issues specific to a particular application need to go in that applications area in the forum. It keeps the forums more organized and helps other people fnd help later on.

So please post in the correct area.
I will answer this question soon. I have to do something 1st though.

, This user has notified me that the issue has been resolved based on what I told him., I am having trouble getting any information to show up in the log files directory or anything showing up on the log files tab in the administrator.  I have set the following variables under the settings tab:

UseLogFiles checked and
value of LogFileDirectory is "c:\inetpub\wwwroot\wf\data\logfiles"

I checked the permissions on that folder and they are set so that the Internet Guest account has full control on that directory.

I also checked RecentActiveUsers and RecentPageRequrests.

I am sure I am missing something simple but no files are ever showing up in the logfiles directory...anyone have similar problems or at least successes?

Thanks!!


, YAY! I FOUND A BUG IN MY TESTING!!! Do I get a cool t-shirt or a coupon for Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream? 

Hehehe... seriously, thanks for digging deeper and spotting the error. You got some mad skillz and some excellent service, Mr. Cwilliams!
, Oh yes...I've changed the time a script is allowed to run before timing out from 90 seconds to 180 seconds on the aspprotect folder.,

All of the fields with the expected paths show the correct file structure, so now I've put them in them in the boxes

, Still not having much success.  I am using SQL server.  I changed the permission in the following directory :sql server data\mssql\data.  Is that the database directory you are referring to?,

I am brought to a logon page in which I cannot access the page.  This must be due to the check_user_inc.asp include.  Without the include I get a blank page.

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It does not matter what directory name the ASPProtect files and folders are in but you cant go moving around critical file and folders like it appears you did nor is there any reason to.

All that is is saying is that the users folder, the password_admin folder, the scripts folder, the check_user_inc.asp file, and all the other files and folders that come with the system can be in any directory name as a whole.... but that doesn't mean you can go messing around with the files and folders in that directory.

I assure you 100's of users do not use "aspprotect" as the main folder name and they have no issues doing so.

Regardless, you need to explain in much clearer detail exactly what you did and what paths you used and what is where.  At this point I really do not know what is you did as your post was not clear to me.

You should also check that you have entered correct path info in the admin settings page area. The register page is one of the paths that geths set there.

, I dont get it.. I am still looking into it..

I think this has something to do with your original experience when things would work and then not work.

something weird is going on
,

Chris.

After I had you install ASPProtect I added the ASP protecting code to the top of my home page:

<%@ LANGUAGE="VBSCRIPT" %>

<% CHECKFOR = "1" %>
<!--#INCLUDE FILE="../../check_user_inc.asp"-->

Then I made my index.html page my login page buy using the script "Login form on a non protected page" on that I changed <form method="POST" action="memberarea.asp"> to <form method="POST" action="home.html">. 

When I try to log on to that page I get en error page HTTP Error 405 - The HTTP verb used to access this page is not allowed. Internet Information Services (IIS). I checked with my hosting company GoDaddy.com and they informed me that due to the fact that they do not have ASPProtect instaled on there systems they can not support it.  In recent conversations you told me that you have customers that do use godaddy and you products. 

Can you please tell me what I can do to get this working?

Thank you for your time and help.




 

 

, not anything built into the app... it would be done with client side javascript if you wanted to look into it...  my client side javascript skills are ziltch,

ASPProtect Version 7
Expiry Notices go out to members who have recently renewed by subscription.

When an existing member from ASPProtect Version 6, with an expiry date, renews with SUBSCRIPTION in v7, the previous expiry date remains unchanged.
We assume the expiry date remains blank with NEW Subscriptions and that Paypal takes care of notifications.

 But our notifications to the "about to expire" dating from v6 catches the "Renewed by subscrtiption" as well, as the date has nor been changed or removed, and this REALLY confuses our members.

Can this be resolved?

, alternate databases are right here.. the documentation clearly links to this, its really not difficult to find

http://support.cjwsoft.com/code/moreinfo164-1.htm,
This post unfortutely needs to be here because this application has been the biggest pain in the neck for me you could possibly imagine. This is not because of problems with the application, but because of people's general lack of knowlegde regarding ASP.NET. This post totally voices my stance on what sort of knowledge you need to have and also the fact that I am not going to support anything but general installation on a correctly and professionaly set up live server.

ASPProtect.NET is a great application but using ASP.NET requires a lot more basic knowledge than using classic ASP and there are a lot of basic low level ASP.NET things that need to be set up correctly for an application like ASPProtect.NET to run. These are things I do not cover because you should know the ASP.NET basics when using an application as complex as this. It's just that I don't have time to nor should I have to teach people the basics of ASP.NET. I don't charge nearly enough for ASPProtect.NET to offer that kind of support.

So, I will say it one more time. ASPProtect.NET is targeted towards experienced Visual Studio.NET developers that know how to work with Code Behind VB.NET and are familiar with basic ASP concepts such as IIS application settings, the .NET framework, the
aspnet_client folder, and the basics of the web.config file.  If you are using ASP.NET for whatever reason you need to know about these things. The best way is to get some good books and do set up ASP.NET on a local development machine so you can start learning.

If you are one of the ASP.NET challenged let me say this as well.

Stick with Classic ASP. ASP.NET is a step in the wrong direction for the average user which I like to refer to as "Joe Coder". Classic ASP is very powerful and easy to pick up. ASP.NET is not easy to pick up and never will be for a lot of people. In my opinion it’s actually the wrong technology to use for anyone other than big corporations who need extreme scalability in their applications or for the hobbyist or object oriented programmer who just wants to use the latest and greatest.  Ask yourself if you really want to deal with compiling Code Behind code each time you make changes to your web site as opposed to just editing some files in notepad real quick like you can do with classic ASP ? Do you have the money to purchase and use Visual Studio.NET or are you going to struggle with compiling all your ASP.NET pages using a command line compiler and a batch file ? Yes, you can build ASP.NET code that isn't code behind but why even bother if that is the case because your missing the point of ASP.NET if you do that and missing out on a lot of powerful new features and concepts.

When I do custom projects for bigger clients I usually end up using ASP.NET because they want to go that way and understand the time and money involved. When I do any of my own projects I use Classic ASP because the truth is you can still make some rockin busy scalable web sites with Classic ASP just like you can still make great web sites with CGI, PP, Cold Fusion.. etc etc. Look around the web because a lot of the biggest sites out there still use those scripting technologies and their stuff runs very well. ASP.NET is a lot of hype and although some things about it are plain awesome it is an environment best suited for real object oriented programmers, not the weekend code warriors.

The other thing to keep in mind about classic ASP is the shear abundance of applications and scripts available for it. ASP.NET can be expensive for that reason alone as there still is a shortage of good time tested applications out there and what is out there is always priced a lot higher.

In addition to that half of the ASP.NET applications out there are just half baked poorly converted versions of their Classic ASP counterparts. Is that the kind of thing you want to sink twice the money into or would you rather have something that runs well and has been tweaked year after year into a rock solid product?

To make things worse a lot of the hosting companies out there offering ASP.NET hosting are severely limiting the basic abilities of ASP.NET because of various security concerns. This means if you go with a Host that does that 75% of the asp.net stuff out there won't run on the hosted server. Isn't that wonderful ?

Now, Let's make things even worse. So far every time Microsoft has released a new version of ASP.NET a lot of things from the previous version have stopped working and needed to be modified to work correctly. Is that really something you will have the time, resources, and energy to deal with.

You may ask "but is classic ASP going to be around 5 years from now?" Though you never really know until the new version of windows server ships I say "Hell Yes" it will be. According to my sources at Port80 Software who work very closely with the folks at Microsoft (as well as many other sources out there) it will almost certainly be in Longhorn which is the next version of Windows Server. Longhorn probably won't come out until 2007 and will be popular for 3-4 years after that. The version of windows server after that will most likely support Classic ASP as well and if it doesn't I am sure there will be a way to make ASP run on it.  If you really look around a lot of hosting companies are still running Windows Server 2000 which is 5 years old at the moment. The bottom line is Classic ASP helped put Microsoft web technologies on the map. Microsoft can not simply drop it because if they do they give up a dominate market share to the scripting competition being PHP, CGI, Cold Fusion.. etc etc PHP for instance a huge installed base on many platforms which are essentially free. ASP.NET can not compete with that in any way and not supporting Classic ASP would put microsoft in a bad position.

Take it from me. If you are a weekend code warrior/script kiddie. You'll be a lot happier sticking with classic ASP. You will also have save a lot of money and you can still have great web sites. There are tons of great applications out there in ASP and ASP still is and always will be the easiest scripting language to work with and learn. Better yet look around on sites like www.4guysfromrolla.com and see if you actually understand any of the latest articles. If it looks like Greek to you that is yet another sign that you should stick to classic ASP.

Personally, I will be focusing just as much time and effort on ASP.NET as I will on Classic ASP in the years to come for a few reasons.
  1. Because I sell software I obviously need to convert/re-write most of my appIications to work with ASP.NET. My living may eventually depend on it.
     
  2. Because I love using the latest technologies I want to continue to develop using ASP.NET.
     
  3. Because I do many custom projects for various clients using ASP.NET is a must.
  4. Because in some cases using ASP.NET over classic ASP makes total sense.

Just don't fall for the HYPE folks. I am one of the few established developers out there that has a set of Balls and is willing to put the truth out there and see past the bullsh*t. If you go ASP.NET do it because you seriosuly think you need the power and scalabilty and money and time is not an issue or because you are a hobbiest and object oriented programmer who likes working with and has time to work with the latest and greatest web scripting technolgies out there. I truly believe that so far ASP.NET is as much a success as it is a failure. I am sure some of you out there know what I mean by that.

All this being said you should also realize that ASPProtect.NET is a little different than your average ASP.NET application because it uses a lot of advanced ASP.NET techniques and you essentially use it to password protect your existing scripts meaning you need to integrate your stuff with our stuff in a sense. If you just go buy some random ASP.NET application like a classifieds system or storefront it is probably just going to run on it's own an therefore will be a lot easier to set up and deal with.

Here are some links you folks should read as well.
http://rtfm.atrax.co.uk/infinitemonkeys/articles/asp/905.asp
http://www.itnewsgroups.net/group/microsoft.public.inetserve r.asp.general/topic2074.aspx
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;%5Bln%5D;L ifeWin

Chris Willians
http://www.cjwsoft.com/about.asp

,

Just wanted to let you know that after modifying the remote host string in the email pages and getting the correct connection from my server, everything is running fine.

I hope you enjoyed your vacation.

thank you
adam

,

as I look at your installation more I notice that you are using MSSQl as the database type.

chances are that is the source of these problems. Fields in the sql database are most likely not all set correctly

it is very important that the sql tables and fields are set up exactly as described and that the sql script we provide runs without error

http://support.cjwsoft.com/code/moreinfo160-1.htm

if you create the sql database other than the way we tell you to or the sql script doesn't do its job setting all the field types/constraints/primary keys/etc..... for some reason .. then weird things like this can happen

at this time this is my best guess as to what is going on

I would examing the sql script we provide and compare the information set in it for each field and table to your existing SQL database to see if everything got set correctly.. I would start by checking these fields 1st of all as they are very important.... (username,password,expiration_date,admin,active)

in the meantime testing the ASPProtect system with an Access database will prove that all the ASP code is working as it is supposed to if you are interested in doing that

,

In a way your questions are confusing to me, but here is some information regardless.



Using Active Sever pages you can not protect entire folders. It is simply not possible. ASPProtect is Active Server Pages scripts so it can only protect individual ".asp" files.


If you are concerned about customers downloading the access database..

best practive is to store it in different folder name than it came in
best practive is to give the database .mdb file itself a different name
best practive is to change the password on the access database
best practice is to store it in a directory that is not part of your web if possible.. many of the better hosting companies have it set up so you actually can do that

the more of these things you can do the better..

And if you are really worried about security you should use a SQL Server database which nobody can download from your website under any conditions because your data lives in the sql server and unless they get the username/password to it they can not access it.

cwilliams38306.6367708333,

I have reviewed the permissions requirements for folders from the support documentation but do not see the 'internal guest' account shown in our system to allow internet access to read/write to the access database. 

How else can we locate the proper account (or is it possible there is none?) to use to allow permissions to access the Data directory if it doesn't show up as 'Internal Guest'?

cwilliams38417.7773032407,

ok.. There are various spots that call the end_date variable.  That is why I am asking.  Then incorporating it into the forms that have been developed, made me wonder.

 

, We are using this photo gallery to manage galeries of all the prodcut lines we carry, we have no use for users to be able to sign up so i hid that part of the pages, what i am wondering is how can i hide the rest of the navigational links and still be able to get logged in to admin.   Here is a link to the unfinished demo site.

http://www.scs-cases.com/photogallery/ 
, Yes, you are right.  That was the problem.  Sorry  

Cheers
Roy
, Can I have the logon be in a top frame while having the protected pages displayed in a main frame?

Also, how will it behave if a user moves in between a protected page to a public page and back to the protected page again?
,

I just installed the software, but I can't find any place where I can see when users logged in, can someone please tell me where I can do this?

Thanks

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Hi,

First and foremost, a great product. I downloaded it last night and it took little effort to get it up and running

.....now a little question...

Has the software/code been tried out on a Mysql db and if so did it work?

The reason I ask is that my website is very busy (1.5million page views per month avg) and I'm considering converting the ASPBanner Access db to a Mysql one to help handle the traffic. For every page view one banner impression is being made which means that the Access db is under a bit of pressure

This afternoon there were 1012 simultanious users on the website and it froze with an error message displaying where the banner should have been (I didn't quite catch the message but something to do with the banner script timing out). I'm not sure if the Access db had something to do with it but it seemed too coincidental. Rebooting the server cured the problem but obviously kicked off the visistors as well
At present there's 668 online and no problems so I'll have to monitor it to see how it goes but if anyone can answer the Mysql question I'd be grateful

Thanks,

Dave

, I am not talking about image resizing. I need to know if it is possible to limit the upload to images where their height or width is less than 500 PIX. ,

just leave the databse where it is, use the connection string generated for you and most importantly... put in a request with alentus for permissions to be set

tell them "
D:\Websites\www.mysite.com\aspprotect\data" and all of its child folders need change permissions (r,w,x,d) set so aspprotect can do its thing

until the permissions are set that connection string can not work

this is all noted in the installation docs...

, I do not what see what this has to do with anything I sell ?

Those errors are all related to pages that have nothing to do with my ASP applications and code., How and where does one add countries/cities to the list so that they appear in the Drop-Down list that advertisers see when they are placing a new ad?,

you not seeing the real error

http://support.cjwsoft.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11& PN=1

, I have added two users in different group access but none of them can login to the pages ,
(Password Expiration Mod) for ASPProtect Version 7.x

This Advanced Mod requires decent knowledge of Databases and working with ASP. I originally wrote something like this for a customer on a custom project. I then took the time to re-write all the code from scratch so it could easily be plugged in to the current version of ASPProtect as an option. All in all this mod took me over 15 hours of time to develop and will save you a ton of time & money if you were planning on writing something like this on your own. Some parts of this were so difficult to get working that I would never have written this code if I was not paid to do so. (The encrypted array that rotates through the last 12 passwords was quite frustrating to get working)


 
The price on this is 19.95. I am not incorporating this into the base product because it makes things more complicated and isn't for everyone.

Purchase Page

Security is a big concern and making your users change their password every so often is a good idea. Keeping track of previous passwords they used and making them choose something they haven't used before takes the concept even further.

This Mod will add a password expiration date to the application. When the password expiration date is hit the user must confirm their old password as well as pick a new one before they can log in again.

There is a new password expiration directory where they must choose a new password that has not been used before. The new password must be confirmed during this process. (It remembers 12 old passwords the way it is coded) The old passwords are stored in the database in an encrypted array.


Directions:
Back up your existing ASPProtect installation.

Add two new fields to the "ASPP_Users" table in your database.

For an MSAccess Database

Password_Expiration_Date (Date_Time Field)
PreviousPasswords (Memo Field)

For a MSSQL Database

Password_Expiration_Date (smalldatetime)
PreviousPasswords (nvarchar 160 characters)

once that is done

Copy all the new ".asp" pages into your site.


Edit the "PasswordExpirationURL" variable in the "check_user_inc.asp" file

It needs to be the full URL to to the "change_password/default.asp" file


Now edit the "change_password/processchange.asp" file

There are 3 variables you can edit.

PageSentToAfter = "http://localhost/aspprotectmods/password_admin/default.asp"
PassMinLength = 4
PassMaxLength = 8

The "PageSentToAfter" is where you want them sent to after they change the password. It can be whatever you like.
If it is a protected page they should automatically get logged in with the new password they just changed to which is nice.

The other two values should be obvious.

That's it...

Just remember the password change thing is not used in the admin area...
You could easily add code for that on your own though by looking at the the password expiration code I added to the publics "check_user_inc.asp" file

Also:
You will see a new field to edit on the user edit screen for the Password Expiration of course. 
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Yeah, its a win2k server.

Im up and running now (my guess is ASP wasnt installed, but he did not say), but am not having luck with any of the email.  I contacted my host to see what is available and have yet to hear back.  Do you generally recommend people to run CDOSYS?

Ive been reading through the docs, and the users and protection seems to be pretty straightforward.   Nice!

The only other real question I have (and cant find in the docs) is how to remove the self registration option all togehter.  My client wants to add its users manually, and not give the option for them to sign up themselves.  Do I just find any remove any code that references it?

,

I dont understand why I would get an error? -- I'm not sending the email from internal - so why would it try to validate?

I'm trying to send an email to an independent place - just like I would send an email to you

Am I using the wrong email setting - should I be doing something other than using "remote server"

,

ya, thats basically what I was gonna do..

BTW.. if that other app is going crazy with an access database it could be the cause of all the slowdown with ASPProtect... what happens there is it is using so much database driver time that it robs other things that also access a database... so basically ASPProtect isn't asking its database for much but your other application and database are cripping that part of the system and causing it to run like crapola

If your other app is using a system dsn try changing it to use a dsn-less connection... it might actually help

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Thanks for your rapid responses, your support is excellent!

It may be best that I stick with html then. You mention that is stresses the Version 7 software, would the unlimited version perform any differently if I use multiple zones?

Also, if I do go with a single zone, would either program be able to make sure each banner is unique, or would there by duplicates for each page view?

Sorry to post so many questions in one day.

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The parent paths things really should not be an issue.

This is an article from the troubleshooting section of the documentation that takes care of it all very easily.

http://support.cjwsoft.com/code/moreinfo162-1.htm


As for a good host that knows ASP and does not mess around when you ask for something. I always recommened www.alentus.com

 

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Sorry, there is not any documentation on that.. it is basic asp/database work and customization like that is not supported. I recommended looking at what is already there and using that as a guide to produce more fields. etc etc

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